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January 22, 2008


Church’s sexual billboard shocks passerbys

Way to go New Life Fellowship. (Great message here about the series from the pastor).

UPDATE: Steph did a little digging on the church’s website and, while Jesus and Scripture appear on their Core Beliefs page, God definitely seems to not be the focus on the rest of the site.  A very seeker sensitive type of setup, straight out of Willow Creek fashion.  I’ve downloaded the last couple of sermons to get a feel for the situation and to see if I should include this post in the heresy horns category.  🙂

5 Comments leave one →
  1. Laura permalink
    January 23, 2008 2:45 am

    hmmmmm …there was a sign at a very small church here in Bush, formerly known as Reagan country. I even got a picture from holly and friends posing in front of it. they definitely weren’t seeker oriented….is that bad now?
    it did get the panties of some old church ladies, the pta mommies who are afraid to talk to their kids about sex and the editor of the local paper all wadded up into a knot. me, i was amused by it all. it was a nice conversation starter here under the big top.
    i could send it to you if you want.

  2. January 23, 2008 10:10 am

    Laura, I’d love to see that pic.

    Re: seeker oriented. It is the humble opinion of the author that it is bad. Brief reason why: It puts the focus on non-believers, when I think a church service should focus on believers worshipping Jesus together. Of course I think non-believers can come and witness that, but I don’t think we should cater to them in that setting.

    The focus becomes trying to make Jesus and church palatable to non-Christians. While the faith as a whole should be made appealing through believers’ lives and non-Christians should be made comfortable to discuss Christianity in those personal settings, I think that all needs to happen on a personal level and not a corporate one. I believe that evangelism mostly needs to occur at a relational level and not a 1.5 hr block of time once a week that is ultimately a means for the body of Christ to gather corporately and worship Jesus together. If a church service is to be the church’s main focus of evangelism, why do a bunch of already-Christians keep showing up?

  3. Slothboy permalink
    January 23, 2008 12:09 pm

    Whatever the basis of the church itself, this is a great idea. I’ve always felt that the way we Christians deal with the topic of sex is designed to fail. We just go polar opposite of the rest of the world. “Sex is GREAT!” “No it isn’t. ABSTAIN!” We then repeat “wait until you’re married” over and over again, hoping it will stick.

    Having the guts to openly discuss the gift of sex and to reinforce in a positive way that it is God’s wish for it to be between married people and the benefits of that situation might have a better impact. As it is now we essentially just tell a bunch of teens, who are built to do the opposite of what you say, that it is bad to do it. Good luck with that.

    The church also needs to combat the myth that experience counts for so much. Or that you need to have sex with somebody to find out if you are compatible in that way. It really isn’t complicated and experience is gained pretty quickly.

    Of course, I talk a big game. We’ll see what happens when the girls get older.

  4. Jeana permalink
    January 23, 2008 12:20 pm

    I know this isn’t the point of your post but I just wanted to defend Willow Creek a little bit. Yes, they have a HUGE seeker ministry, but that isn’t all or the main thing they have to offer. Their Small Group program is AMAZING and the role that has in the discipleship and maturing of “already-Christians” is huge. /end rant.

  5. January 23, 2008 12:42 pm

    Slothy – Yes indeed. Spot on.

    Jeana – I don’t disagree with you. If I was unclear, I apologize. I didn’t mean to speak of anything except the “Sunday service.” If their small group thing is awesome, fantastic! I think that is where discipleship should happen and it’s exciting to hear they do it well. My only emphasis / soap-box material was that I think a typical Sunday morning worship gathering should be for believers to worship Jesus. Not for non-believers to be comfortable.

    Of course, I talk a big game. These are all ideals. Throw me into a church leadership team with folks who don’t necessarily agree with me and it might be hard to stray from practical matters.

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